shows 97% less breakage. strong hair with new dove breakage remedy. that is our thanks for joining us this hour, happy friday. are you familiar with the concept of an own goal? if there's two teams playing against each other, each team is trying to score a goal against the other team but when you own goal, it means you accidentally scored a goal against yourself. in the beautiful game of soccer, a phenomenon of an old goal

happens infrequently, but it does happen. sometimes it happens in ways that are quite beautiful but there are always dramatic and always traumatic to the people involved. if you don't know what's a picture, if you don't know what i am describing, if you have never watched a soccer match near, life watch, this heal and understand instantly what i mean. >> pierre, give away. two center backs being good tonight. oh no, look. out was a mistake, can you believe that happened! oh my word! >> oh my word! the goalkeeper is very relaxed, you speaking very gently passed the ball by his own team, his own defender. very chilled, very relaxed. just going to trap that ball

and then cleared back out to his own offense. and he bubbles it at first and then bubbles it again and then -- own goal! here's one more. in this one, you cannot blame the goalkeeper as much. you can only blame the goalkeeper for not accounting for how wind he puts that day. now in this one, it's the team wearing the green jerseys that's trying to circle around the goalkeeper. he gets the ball, but then watch. you see how windy it is? there he kicks the ball to clear the field, and the wind pulls it back. it blows it back. and he cannot defend against the ball that kicked him stefanek kicked right back at. him own goal. own goal! sad, infuriating and hilarious in equal measure. right after the elections past year, we had a pretty good own

goal in our country. a remarkable series of them. after democrat joe biden, for example, won the state of wisconsin in the present of -- state of. the incumbent president complained about wisconsin. wisconsin is one of those states that he was sure he had actually won it. it almost have been stolen from him somehow. and actually, he had proof that it was stolen and he would show everyone the proof and wouldn't they be sorry. but was different about these allegations that he made about wisconsin was that the trump campaign put their money where their mouth was in wisconsin. they put it up cash. they put $3 million in campaign money to pay for a recount of the presidential election vote in wisconsin. and two big democratic parties. they actually paid for it. they hate paying for anything right? but they were sure this would be money well spent. they were absolutely sure they won.

so they paid for it. it was worth. it they plug those millions. they were sure that it would overturn the results of wisconsin, they were sure that it would show that trump really won. that was an own goal. but was the results of them paying all that money and pain for the recount? quote -- after the completion of the recount in wisconsin's milwaukee county on friday and dane county on sunday, that was little change in the final breakdown of the thousands of ballots have been cast into jurisdictions. in the end, biden's lead over trump in the state grew by 87 votes. he owned goal! they forked, out they paid all their money because they knew it would prove that donald trump actually won wisconsin when it actually prove that trump lost wisconsin even more than they have thought. own goal in wisconsin. then there was michigan. trump lost by a lot in michigan. but that did not stop him from, once, again complaining loudly

that he must have won michigan! there must have been some kind of scandal, some kind of fraud, it must be expects to get it and expose and everyone will know who actually. one in the case of michigan, republicans in the state legislature were happy to oblige this complaining. and the republicans in the state legislature conducted a months long investigation of the election results in michigan. who, this will be. the republican report will finally show actually that trump won michigan, that it was stolen from, him the election results were all fake, they're all fraud, right? this was the report conclusion -- quote. this committee found no evidence of widespread or systematic fraud in michigan's prosecution of the 2020 election. beyond that, the republicans and the legislature went on to pronounce themselves, quote, appalled. it could only be deduced to a woeful ignorance by those claiming that there was fraud in michigan. even beyond that, the michigan republicans in the legislature

actually recommended that the states attorney general should consider bringing prosecutions against people who are still flogging the fake fraud claims about michigan. quote, the committee recommends the attorney general to consider investigating those who have been utilizing misleading and false information about alleged fraud in the election to raise money or publicity for their own ends. own goal! we are sure this will work, we're all about -- the wind is bringing it back! own goal! former president trump reacted to that michigan report by denouncing all the republicans involved in that investigation saying, the truth will come out and the rhinos will pay. funny thing about that. lawyers acting on behalf of president trump figure that they had another way to out the truth. another way around the problem they were having in michigan, they would do it through the courts. they would release the kraken. and prove the fraud in the michigan election, they would prove it in court in michigan,

that will show everybody, everybody will pay. who doubted them, the election will be overturned, trump ought to be shown to have won michigan, he will shown to have won reelection and released the kraken. and that lawsuit was laughed out of court. the judge in the course called it, quote, nothing but speculation and conjecture. them but then the kraken sailed up in the wind and ended up crashing back into their own goal, because it wasn't just that the lawsuit got thrown out, the judge eventually ruled that not only was that lawsuit baseless, it was so baseless, and so disingenuous has to be effectively of fraud on the court, the judge demanded a hearing, in which all of the trump lawyers involved in the case would appear before her and explain themselves at that hearing many of the trump lawyers tried to pretend that they hadn't really anything to do with the case, at least one of the lawyers and fall broke down and cried at the hearing. a judge eventually ruled that all the trump lawyers involved in the case would be sanctioned for it.

sanctioned financially, the exact amount that they are all going to have to pay is still being educated now. the judge also declared that each of those lawyers would be referred for discipline to the bar associations to face potential penalties up to, and including, disbarment. they may all lose their law license is for having done that. them which is, in its way, an own goal! we will show them, oh no, they showed us! this keeps happening to them. today, it happened in their biggest try yet. in the republican bizarro world, months long election review, called an audit in the state of arizona. where biden won where trump complains that hemus of one. former president trump proclaimed that the arizona audit would turn up the real evidence, the real proof, that he actually won. he won all these states. and arizona, with these audit, they would be the first, they

would all end up facing two after arizona collapsed and all the states would end up admitting that he really won. watch arizona go over. first we reported on the show last night that i had seen, our staff had obtained and seen, a draft version of the arizona audit report. ahead of its formal release today. that and because those results were gonna be formally released today, we decided not to put those reported results of the draft on television. after all, a draft report could be revised substantially before the final results came out. we decided that nobody really believes what's gonna be in the audit anyway, we're gonna wait until the audit release. i did tell you last night that what we were seeing in the draft report showing that the results of the arizona audit where somewhat hilarious. well today, we got the final report. they released it to the public. and indeed, in fact, it matches with the draft that we saw last night. and hilarity did in fact ensue.

after their five months of trying and searching for bamboo fibers and using uv lights and putting the ballots on lazy susan's hands putting them around, and a hiring the weirdest clown part of conspiracy and qanon's and cracked pots to die slice and julie is -- the result of their five months-long audit is that they are count showed that joe biden 's margin of victory in curliest by about 360 votes. that trump lost arizona even more than he had previously believed. which is an own goal. indeed. infuriating to those involved, hilarious to all those watching. just like it is in soccer. them but despite the big score, here for the arizona audit, from the point of the so-called

audit, the point of this whole turned republican politics in fact, it's not necessarily to concretely overturn the election results and reinstall donald trump as president ten months after the election. i don't know if that is still is their day to day concrete goal. now that mike lindell the pillow guy says that he will be reinstated by thanksgiving. hopefully. maybe some of them still think that. i think more presently, the goal is to on more the election results from the fact based world for republicans and right leaning americans. and how do you measure success in that? well, but they are trying to achieve, but they are actually doing in the work. today in arizona, despite concluding on their own terms that, by their count, trump lost arizona even worse than the certified results say heated, nevertheless, the

republican audit folks today spent hours today, very excitedly, they spent more than three hours, excitedly, showing power point slides and giving long, confusing presentations. all aimed at casting dispersions on the election process in arizona. they did not produce any actual proof of any fraud in arizona. didn't even produce any credible claims of fraud in arizona. but they did give hours of ominous sounding, confusing testimony about the things that they did not understand about the election process. that there by -- that thereby seem suspicious to. them they rejected and rebooted in realtime by officials in the county that actually carried out this election that has been driving for all these months. all along the maricopa county had to post real life time rebuttals in response to all of this -- we don't understand this, this

seems ominous claims of the people. the county was posting things like this, all you are talking about the server, this server named reweb1601 yes the server connects to the internet. you will agree that this connects to the internet. you will agree that this is ominous. it connects to the maricopa county recorders office. this is not the election system, they explain, quote, we shouldn't have to explain. this you think you found this terrible smoking gun -- it is their website, websites seem to be linked to the internet. that is not the election. this is the elected -- doing have to do the same baseline explanation rebuttal, fact checking, all day long. he reiterates with the county is saying, yes, that's reweb1601 is our web server. yes, it connects to the internet.

also, quote, none of this the -- none of this is the election system. this is the voter registration system. tsai. this is so irresponsible. this is incredibly irresponsible. they also approved, of either own methodology, that trump lost even worse than we thought he did. but we are back to where this started. which is that it is hilarious and you cannot take cut away from me. but it is hilarious and infuriating. it is also kerfuffles. because a stupid an embarrassing as this exercise has been. this is another thing that happened today in arizona. these are the folks who showed up to the big audit reveal in the arizona state senate today to show off their guns and their military equipment. this is not, to be clear, a shockingly, poor disciplined national card unit that turned out to keep the peace on official business as the national guard.

these are just random people. these are pro trump, pro audit militants. who dressed up like this and got their guns. and would look like working dogs to show you that they have got guns and they have dogs and they have been trained and they are ready. where are they ready for? e they ready f on the eve of the audit release, conservative commentator, very conservative intellectual robert caden -- somebody with whom i disagree on everything -- robert kagan wrote a piece for the washington post that is now the most widely read and shared thing on the washington post web page. he's writing this as a conservative. but it's title, our constitutional crisis is already here. and i want to redo the lead of this, because as hilarious as this was and as much as two was fun about this failure in arizona, this own goal, this just embarrassment, this failure -- this is also a very dark day.

and this is a dark thing we're going through. i'll just redo what kagan said today. he said quote, the " united states is heading into its greatest political and constitutional crisis since the civil war. with a reasonable chance over the next 3 to 4 years of incidents of mass violence, a breakdown of federal authority and the division of the country into warring red and blue enclaves. the warning signs may be obscured by the destructions of politics, the pandemic, the economy the global crises, and by wishful thinking and now. but about these things there should be no doubt. first, donald trump will be the republican candidate for president in 2024. the hope an expectation that he would fade in visibility and influence have been delusional. he enjoys mammoth leads in the polls, he's been thing a massive campaign war chests. at this moment, the democratic ticket looks vulnerable. barring health problems, he is. running second, trump and his republican allies are actively preparing to ensure his victory by whatever means necessary. trump's charges of fraud in the 2020 election are now primarily aimed at establishing the

predicate to challenge future election results that don't go his way. some republican candidates have already begun preparing to declare fraud in 2022, just as candidate larry elder tried meekly to do in the california gubernatorial recall contests. meanwhile, the amateurish stop the steal efforts of 2020, have given way to an organized nationwide campaign to ensure that trump and his supporters will have the control over state and local election officials, that they lacked in 2020. those recalcitrant republican state officials to effectively steve it come true from calamity by refusing to falsely declare full, or to qualify, more joe votes for trump, those officials are being systematically review removed or hunted from office. republican legislators are giving themselves greater control over the election certification process. as of this break, republicans have port pros are passed measures in at least 16 states that would shift certain elected authorities from the purview of the governor, secretary of state and other

executive branch officers, to the legislature. would arizona bill flatly states that legislature may revoke the secretary of state's issuance of certification of a presidential electors certificate election. by simple majority vote. some state ledger serves seek to impose criminal penalties on local election officials election have committed technical infectious including obstructing the view of poll watchers. the state's that's been set for chaos. imagine weeks of competing mass protests against multiple states as lawmakers from both parties claim victory and charge the other with unconstitutional efforts to take power. partisans on both sides are likely to be better armed and more willing to inflict harm than they were in 2020. would governors call out the national guard? with president biden nationalize the guard and please say under his control, invoke the insurrection act, and sent troops into pennsylvania or texas, or wisconsin, to quell violent protests? deploying federal power in the states would be decried as

terri. president biden would find himself with other presidents have been -- where interjection was during the nullification crisis, or where abraham lincoln was after the south succeeded. navigating without rules or precedents, making his own judgments about constitutional powers he doesn't and doesn't have. today's arguments over the filibuster will seem quaint in three years, if the american political system enters a crisis which the constitution offers in a remedy. most americans -- and all but a handful of politicians -- have refused to take this possibility seriously enough to try to prevent it. as has so often been the case in other countries were fascist leaders arise, there would be opponents paralyzed and confusion and amazement at this charismatic authoritarian. they've followed the standard model of appeasement, which always begins with underestimation. the political and intellectual establishment simple parties have been underestimating trump since he emerged on the scene in 2015. they underestimated the extent of his popularity and the strength of his hold on his followers. they underestimated his ability to take control of the

republican party, and then they underestimated how far he was willing to go to retain power. the fact that he failed to overturn the 2020 election has reassured many that the american system remains secure, though it could easily have gone the other way. if biden had not been safely ahead in all four states were the vote was close. if trump had been more competent and more in control of the decision makers and his administration, and in congress, and in the states. as it was, trump came close to bringing off a coup earlier this year. all that prevented it was a handful of state officials, with notable courage and integrity. and the reluctance of two attorneys generals and the vice president to obey orders they deemed inappropriate. these were not the checks and balances the framers had in mind when they designed the constitution, of course, but trump has exposed the inadequacy of those protections. " again, that's from robert kagan, who's a very conservative thinker. somebody with whom i agree on basically nothing. but who has put a point on this

woman. he published this in the washington post last night on the eve of these arizona election results being released. and the elaborate soon election results released today were columbus. they found by their own methodology that biden won by even more in arizona than we previously knew. but then they spent hours today, laying out why they thought the election was still seem suspect to them. the results from former president trump was to call on the basis of this audit, for the arizona election results to be decertified. for himself to be proclaimed the winner in arizona. even after this audit, that just proclaim that he lost even worse than we knew he did before. lost eve we are at a moment that is hilarious. and infuriating. it's corrosive in a way that we need to talk about, to. and we're gonna speak tonight, this hour, live, with the arizona secretary of state. with the actual state official and arizona tour in charge of administering elections that states. reaction study to what happened with a republican audit of the election results with stinging. and you should hear it.

and you should fire from her. we will talk with her. we're also to speak tonight with a top county official and a large county in texas. trump, yesterday, demanded that texas should have its election results forensically audited as well. texas officials today altered that that will happen in the fourth largest county in the state. we'll speak with the top county official in one of those counties to get her stinging response to that attack on the integrity of elections there. but before we talk with either of those officials, i asked to be here tonight -- my friend steve schmidt. who's not directly involved in these matters. he's not elected official. but he is somebody who has had clarity on this issue, i think, before a lot of the rest of us did. and this does feel like a crisis now. this does feel like a splitting point that has grown out of whatever is wrong in republican politics. and in the politics that have arisen around the former president. and today, with this call, even

after the results of this audit showed that trump lost worse than he thought -- this call that that necessarily means that the election results should all be thrown out and trumpet clear the winner, it does feel like a breaking point. a full on separation between election results and facts, in a way that feels irrevocably. and that feels a very un-morey and alarming to me. as galleries as i find this in the short run. i found myself all day wanting to talk to my friend steve schmidt about what feels like a very precarious moment. so i've asked him to be here tonight. steve schmidt, thank you so much for making time, my friend. i really appreciated. >> great to be with you, rachel. thank you. >> i wanted you to be here tonight as i said, because i feel like you've been throwing bull's-eyes in this peripheral darts match from the very beginning. and i wanted to know if you are, your state of mind. whether you are reassured are comforted at all by the way things took me turn today, or whether this feels ominous to you? the way it does i think, to me, and people like mr. kagan writing in the washington post. ike mr. kaga>> i think it's exty

ominous, rachel. i think we're in a crisis. it's hard to overstate the magnitude of that crisis. i agree with mr. kagan that donald trump will certainly be the republican nominee in 2024. we have an autocratic movement in this country. and one thing is certainly true, the republican party of late september 2021, is a profoundly more radical party than it was on election day than it was on january 6th, that it was in on inauguration day. and part of the strategy, and it's important to understand, you see this with a case that could result from the debt ceiling -- is they are driving both chaos, at the same time, where they are selling order. so, all right wing authoritarian movements always do this. it's how they come to power. they drive chaos through policies of cynicism, neil-ism, and then they promise to restore order with easy

scapegoats. it's very important, we should never talk about these issues, without mentioning that these are minority voters that are alleged to have fraudulently voted. that's not so much hidden by dog whistle as loudly screamed by the trump people and their lawyers. so, there's that aspect of it. number one. and to, when you have mainstream leaders supposedly -- like elise stefanik. imagine, someone with the last name of stefanik, engaging in replacement theory. engaging in white nationalism, white supremacist or placement theory, in ads in her albany district. this is mainstream. a party is now an open alliance with extremist elements. those include those fashions that you saw outside the capital. white nationalists, white supremacists, and a bevy of

other extremist groups. certainly, there is going to be political violence in this country, because the argument that trump is making and so many of his allies, is that civilization is going to collapse because of the hordes of minorities being imported to steal the birthright and the franchise of the american citizen. it is evil. it is demagogue. it has been done before in history. to stigmatize people who are the weakest in a society. to scapegoat and to defuse the blame from the problems that those that are attacking them are responsible for creating in the first place. so, we're at a very dangerous moment, rachel. in this country and is going to get worse. >> steve, when you talk about that danger and as you describe it, increasing radicalization -- the thing that stuck with me today about mr. kagan's piece

is his critique of the underestimating of this as a threat. the underestimating of the power of this authoritarian movement. and the consequence of underestimating which is appeasement. what it has me wondering is what is the opposite of underestimating? what is the opposite of appeasement? what are the options that are available if we decide to confront this as a country, not take this -- to knock that play this down. to recognize the threat here and the historical echoes that you're describing here, that is bone-chilling. what does that look like? what is the opposite of appeasement? >> confrontation. what you did at your show, really lead, was this, and it puts you at the front of a fight that will determine whether we are able to name the republic. and the front of that fight is a space where the light is confronted with the truth. that is the battleground. and a police out in 1 million ways. but a democracy cannot survive

in a world where the life and the truth stand equally. the system that we have is based on a compact that requires faith in belief and trust. it's how we share power with people that we disagree with. we acknowledge that we live in a complex world where people have different perspectives. and we have to accommodate those views. in the 21st century, i believe that there was a consensus that has unraveled in start really short period of time, that you can trace all the way back to the beginning of the country, in the name of political power -- also, the same people claiming that they're doing it in the name of freedom are seeing that that preservation of freedom means maintaining our power. not necessarily abiding the results of the election. and when you get into that territory, you're in a scary

space. and it's essential to remember to understand one thing, and this has to be brought forward into the debate, despite all the flaws of american democracy, or any democracy -- democracies are the only system of government that has ever existed in the history of humanity that puts the individual human being on top of the power of the city. every other system so subordinates the dignity of the human being to the power of the state, for the purposes of the state, often controlled by self interested, corrupt minority. so, this is the most profound moral issue that you could possibly talk about on any given evening in this country. because it goes to the heart of the american idea, the embrace of humanism, of natural rights,

of pluralism. and this idea that anybody can be an american. that we can all stand equal, cool equally, in a society, under the rule of law. where we all get a say, get to participate. and that is what is being vandalized and attacked, and successfully so. they're on the march. they are ascended. they have raise more money than the democrats. republicans have tremendous advantages heading into this next midterm election. so, we are indeed as you have pointed out, at a very frightening moment. steve schmidt, political strategist and my friend who i most wanted to talk to about this for your clarity and your seriousness of purpose on. this thank you for being here tonight, i really appreciated. >> thank you rachel. >> we've got much more to get to, as i mentioned, we will be going live to arizona tonight,

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exercise. she is basically been doing her best to contain the damage. her office sent observers, actual professionals, to the random arena where the cyber ninjas were sifting through all the ballots. her observers reported back all kinds of chaos and security breaches and chain of custody breaches that no real professional audit would allow. the secretary state office kept running an online list of all the concerns those observers had as the audit chugged along. it was not a shortlist. also, after concert -- consulting real experts and the department of homeland security, secretary hobbs worked to decertify the mayor coppa county machines. she had no choice. nobody can say what they did to them. so the security of those machines could no longer be guaranteed. maricopa has to decommission

all its voting machines. spend millions of dollars to buy new ones. in the midst of all of this, secretary of state katie hobbs had to be assigned per -- extra personal security protection because was getting so many death threats. she was actually chased down the street once by a man screaming at her accusing her of trying to shut down the cyber ninjas audit. today, with that audit finally over, secretary hobbs set her piece. she released the statement, quote -- the state senate and the separate ninjas dragged our state and county through months of partisan political theater. culminating in respect that reinforces but election experts have been saying all along, that this exercise was a scam. the participants -- it was a political stunt that creative massive security risks, cost millions of dollars, and has shaken faith and free and fair elections. joining us now is katie hobbs,

secretary of state of the great state of arizona, she is also running for governor of the state of arizona. madam secretary, thank you for making time for us tonight, i know this has been a bewildering. day >> is good to be here rachel, thank you so much for having me. >> i say bewildering because i don't even know what to ask in terms of your feelings and your reaction now that this is done. do you have a sense of relief? do you have a sense of dread as to what this means and what this might have unleashed? do you feel like this isn't necessarily over just in arizona, and we should stay vigilant the way we have been? how do you feel today? >> i think mostly what i am feeling is a sense of status quo. that this report didn't change anything about the exercise that we have just been through over the last several months. there was nothing earth shadow -- shattering. it contained tons of misinformation that we knew it would and which we have seen all along in this process. but i think that is important

to remind people is that the cyber ninjas didn't just come in and do this. they weren't able to in fact -- they were in fact able to do this because of the select -- we these are people leading our states. they drugged our state through this embarrassing saga, potentially compromised voter security -- this is dangerous. they are being led by these conspiracy theorists. then there is their enablers in the governor's office who stood silent and said let's just see even if he knew better. he certified the election results, he knew they were accurate invalid. hours date is a need of new leadership, and our citizens are mad about these partisan games. they are mad at the audits, mad that this third party had access and their hands in their ballots and potentially their

private data. this is keeping us from solving real problems. we have a lot of issues in arizona. we are still dealing with covid, we still have a lot of people that we need to get back to work, we need to invest in education so that every student has access to high quality public education. these are real issues that arizona voters care about. and it's important to remind people that this whole exercise has completely derailed any real action on these issues. that's why i am running for governor, and folks want to join me they can join yet katie hobbs dot org. >> because you are running for governor, the secretary of state position, which you old now, is gonna be an open seat. in terms of the next balloting in arizona. former president trump has endorsed a republican candidate for the job you now hold. it is somebody who, in fact, says that arizona was stolen and the election was stolen

from trump and he ought to be reinstated as president. the results ought to be overthrown. as somebody who holds that job now, if somebody who holds those views got into your position, how dangerous would that be? >> i think it is a concerning trend that we are seeing, not just in arizona, but across the country. and as the chief election officer of the state of arizona, as an elected official, i took an oath to uphold the constitution and laws of the united states and of arizona. and if i were making statements like the republican you mentioned running for secretary of state is making, that would be an abject opposition to the oath that i took. and it is concerning that we are seeing this kind of behavior across the country especially for positions that oversee elections, that should be impartial and should be focused, 100%, on the process. and ensuring that every single illegible voter has access to

the ballot in that elections are fair and secure. that is what i have been focused on, it's what the voters of arizona elected me to do. and certainly, when you start talking about the outcome, that is not what you are doing. it should concern everyone that folks across the country, not just in arizona, are trying to get their hands on these positions, to influence the outcome of elections. >> arizona secretary of state katie hobbs, is a clear candidate for governor of arizona. madam secretary, thank you for joining, us i know it has been an exhausting day in arizona. there's a lot of work to. come we have a lot much more tonight, stay with us. night, stay with us. safety system in its class...standard? because when you want to create an entirely new feeling, the difference between excellence and mastery is all the difference in the world. the lexus es. every curve, every innovation, every feeling... a product of mastery. get 1.9% apr financing on the 2021 es 350.

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count already showed him winning. nevertheless, yesterday on the eve of the release of those results, former president trump released a statement demanding that texas must immediately opened a forensic audit of its results, to. he said it must be done, quote this week. let's get to the bottom of the 2020 presidential election scam. why do you want texas audited? you won texas. you think he really didn't win texas? you want that double? checked your sure? did you see what happened today in arizona? nevertheless, within hours, the cause he told them to, republican leaders in texas obliged. late last night, the texas secretary of state's office announced they have begun a comprehensive forensic audit. but not in the whole state. only in the states for largest counties. dallas, harris, tyrant and collin counties. three of which were run by president biden. this despite the fact that the republican appointed secretary of state who oversaw the 2020 election had previously said it was smooth and secure. now trump wants it reviewed

anyway and so, sir, yes sir. exactly who ordered the election audits of these for texas counties does remain something of a mystery. the texas secretary of state's office had technically been vacant since me. the noose was announced in the two sentence press release from the secretary of state's office. does the office decide? what part of the office? the largest county in the state of texas is harris county, it's home to houston. that county elections administrator tool that houston chronicle she was surprised by the announcement. saying she had spoken with staff from the secretary of state's office just hours earlier and nobody mentioned anything about this. nevertheless, today, the chief executive of harris county just lina hidalgo had this response to the. news county jus>> yesterday, presided trump urged governor abbott to investigate the texas election results. and within hours, an investigation was announced.

in pennsylvania and wisconsin, politicians who've lost all decency are pursuing similar all its. texans are smarter than this. sling politics with the integrity of election integrity of our democracy. every time you time we cry wolf, every time you yell fraud, every time you run a phony audit, you are tearing down our democracy brick-by-brick, and i'm speaking to every person who is playing a part in this. this does not you deserve to be treated as a serious matter, or the serious audit. it is an irresponsible political trick. it is a sham. it is a cavalier and a dangerous assault on voters, and on democracy. >> this does not deserve to be treated as a serious matter or a serious audit. it is an irresponsible political trick. it is a sham. it is a cavalier and dangerous assault on voters and on democracy. joining us now is harris county judge lina hidalgo, she's the

chief executive of the county. the most populous county in the great state of texas. judge hidalgo, it's an honor to have you with us tonight. thank you very much for your time. >> thank you. >> so, we learned today that you had no heads up about this. you found out in the secretary of state's office press release, just like everybody else. since that mysterious announcement late at night, have you or the county been given any additional information as to what this is going to entail? inform>> we have not. and that just tells you how naked early political all of this is. how obviously fraudulent all of this is. we have to remember we had incredibly successful elections here in harris county in 2020. we had innovations that lead to record turnout from both parties. the highest in 30 years. i mean, it's beautiful. since then, no evidence has come out that would in any way caused the need for this kind of audit. all we have seen is president

trump exhorting the state to -- or at, to have this audit. and you ask, okay, the office six vacant and so who really did this? the governor appoints the secretary of state. so, that gives you a clue. and the reality of it is, texas is being run from mar-a-lago. and that is dangerous. and it's not appropriate. it's frankly, dangerous and it's an extremely, extremely concerning. >> he spoke very passionately about this today. you said republicans what they're doing with audits across the country, and indeed, your county now, he said it's the strategy of one party to burn it all to the ground when their candidate does not win. now that you're up against that and that is your county, in which you are the highest elected official, while does fighting that look like? what is standing up to that look like? we've been talking about not underestimating the corrosive impact of these things, and not appeasing people who want to go along with these things.

when we understand the danger of them. what does confrontation look like? what does fighting it look like? what>> there are different piecs to. it first, it is seeing this for what it is. we heard about the cyber ninja audit in arizona. the similar thing is happening in pennsylvania and wisconsin, now here. so, recognizing that trend. recognizing in the state of texas, it's not just this audit. the state just passed legislation that creates this veil of criminality around elections. basically, it sets trump's so that innocent mistakes that routinely happen and routinely are dealt with by offices of elections administration, that those are pegged as purposeful fraud and prosecuted as such. now we see this. so, on the one hand, obviously it's pandering. the folks who are doing this know that it helps with their base. but there's something more sinister there and more concerning, which is that this two years down trust in the

elections system. and in doing that, it conveniently sets republicans up to question the results of elections they don't like. so, we have to call that for what is. and we have to make sure that we don't create some sort of false equivalency. on the one hand, there's this audit, on the other hand, counties oppose it. no, all of us had to recognize this is a cynical effort, a tragic one at that, and it tempers with democracy. as far as what specifically we can do, i have our county attorney here looking at legal options. it's not clear to us that there is a statute under which the state can conduct this audit. but we also recognize that the state supreme court will be very friendly to whatever cleans the state mix. we also are calling on legislators not to fun this. this is the time where they should look at their moral compass. look at who they are as public servants. the legislators in austin, and not fun this audit. because they will need to approve the funding for it. and finally, we need the federal government to act.

i mean, this has gone too far. we had legislators break quorum, functionally moved to d.c. for over a month. i've been fighting tooth and nail since the election. remember, they closed our mail ballot locations. they've interfered every step of the way. so, this should be another call to action. we've got the writing on the wall. we've got to get off our cheers and get moving on this. t moving on >> harris county tee lina hidalgo, a really appreciate you being here tonight. and that's all really concrete and interesting information. and way to try to make sure we can post this entire interview online tonight. i think officials around the country are facing the same kind of threats, are going to take some inspiration or at least some points of thought, points of order from the way you and your colleagues are approaching. this four thanks for helping us understand. >> thank you. >> all right, we'll be right back. stay with us. ay with us yet he stands strong, dry, keeping the leaks only to his eyes. depend. the only thing stronger than us, is you.

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congratulations. [laughs] we made it. we made it to friday. there were times this week when i was it sure we would. but we made it to. friday democrats in congress didn't. i mean, it is friday for them as well -- but, they have to work through the weekend. today, house speaker nancy pelosi said the house is going to vote on the infrastructure bill, the bipartisan infrastructure package on monday. now, that means two things. that means drama, because progressive democrats are not going to vote for that. [laughs] before there's a vote on the much bigger build back better legislation that matters much more to them. so, it means drama around that. but it also means work. because if they're going to do this thing on monday, they've got work to do before they get their. democrats will be working all through the weekend to see if there is a path forward for both of these bills. i'm bad at predictions, but what we are broadly speaking,

expecting, is that when they restructure bill comes up on monday, it's going to feel. that's kind of part of the plan at this point. the ultimate plan b into pat both pieces of legislation together. but that is going to take more time. anyway. we shall see. but if you do get the weekend off, don't take it for granted. not everybody does. that does it for us, for now. we'll see you again on monday. now it's time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. good evening, lawrence. >> hi, rachel. we have congresswoman think be tingle coming up. she had quite a day, today. including a run in of sorts with marjorie taylor greene. she's got that to talk about, as well as the state of play of what you were just describing. she's going to tell us exactly what's going to happen on monday. she's going to take all the suspense out of it. way to tell us exactly what's going to happen. lawrence do you think you are a keen observer of the, things do you think that we are headed toward that bill definitely not passing on monday unless something crazy happens and then it comes back again in conjunction with the big bill later? >> i cannot use the